Quote: The next phase of our longhaul flight move to Terminal 5 will begin on 5 June
British Airways and BAA have confirmed that the first phase of the move of additional longhaul flights into Heathrow Terminal 5 will take place on 5 June.
The services to be moved in this first phase are:
* New York (JFK only)
* Abuja
* Bangalore
* Beijing
* Cairo
* Cape Town
* Lagos
* Phoenix
The flights above will continue to operate to and from Terminal 4 until 5 June.
Some longhaul flights already operate to and from Terminal 5. These are:
* Hong Kong
* Johannesburg
* Los Angeles
* Miami
* San Francisco
* Tokyo
* Vancouver
All other longhaul flights to and from London Heathrow from 5 June will operate into and out of Terminal 4 until further notice.
Jfk777 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1897 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3743 times:
This Split Terminal 4 & terminal 5 operation for BA has to be the most CONFUSING dual terminal ops in the western world. A Cuban beaurocrat couldn't have come up with a more confusing system. The BAA should have remained in British hands, Spanish firms have bought up airports all over South America and created a bloody mess. LHR should be removed from Ferriovals hands ASAP.
Candid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 520 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3716 times:
I'm flying JFK-LHR-MAN on 5 June (arriving early 6 June)! My outbound is direct from MAN but I could only get back via LHR and sampling T5 was the carrot (I won't be needing my baggage that day). Should be interesting!
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): This Split Terminal 4 & terminal 5 operation for BA has to be the most CONFUSING dual terminal ops in the western world. A Cuban beaurocrat couldn't have come up with a more confusing system. The BAA should have remained in British hands, Spanish firms have bought up airports all over South America and created a bloody mess. LHR should be removed from Ferriovals hands ASAP.
The present arrangements are less confusing than the ones in operation until the move in March . Until then BA's operations were spread across T1, T3, & T4
Tonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): This Split Terminal 4 & terminal 5 operation for BA has to be the most CONFUSING dual terminal ops in the western world. A Cuban beaurocrat couldn't have come up with a more confusing system. The BAA should have remained in British hands, Spanish firms have bought up airports all over South America and created a bloody mess. LHR should be removed from Ferriovals hands ASAP.
The BAA were a mess long before Ferrovial (its only been about 2 years) ever got their hands on them, in fact I kind of feel sorry for them, I dont think they had a clue what they were letting themselves in for when they took over the BAA.
And there is nothing confusing about the current arrangement at all. Just know what terminal your flight goes from!!! Plus its only an interim thing before they all come over! How would you have liked it to be? Alphabetical? By continent? By Country? You will find that the ones being moved are ones that depend more on transit traffic from shorthaul then anything else!
Jfk777 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 1897 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3483 times:
I have watched the empire building of Spanish Firms since Spain joined the EU in 1986, mostly in Latin America, and are amazed at the results. Look at what Iberia did to Viasa and Aerolinias Argentinas. The Spanish banks have had an expensive empire building exercise.
Ferrovial did inherit many problems with LHR but may be Terminal 5 should have been for the Terminal 3 airlines, leave BA at Terminal 1 & 4 and move the Europeans from T1 & 2 to T3 while Heathrow East get built for the 2012 Olympics. BA has been only at T4 since 1986 so its fairly new, if its rundown then they can only blame themselves for bad maintanence. AA, Cathay, SIA, Virgin, Emirates, Qatar, JAL, ANA, ASiana, Korean, EVA, Air Canada, MH, Thai, Air India, Jet Airways and too many more would love T5.
LHR777 From United Kingdom (England), joined Nov 2005, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3): The present arrangements are less confusing than the ones in operation until the move in March . Until then BA's operations were spread across T1, T3, & T4
But now they're split across T1, T4 and T5. How is that different? It's still a 3-terminal operation.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): BA has been only at T4 since 1986 so its fairly new, if its rundown then they can only blame themselves for bad maintanence.
Actually, they can only blame BAA, who own the terminal. BA don't own any terminals at LHR.
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3244 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): This Split Terminal 4 & terminal 5 operation for BA has to be the most CONFUSING dual terminal ops in the western world. A Cuban beaurocrat couldn't have come up with a more confusing system. The BAA should have remained in British hands, Spanish firms have bought up airports all over South America and created a bloody mess. LHR should be removed from Ferriovals hands ASAP.
I was wondering how long it would be before this became an anti-BAA/LHR thread.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): Ferrovial did inherit many problems with LHR but may be Terminal 5 should have been for the Terminal 3 airlines, leave BA at Terminal 1 & 4 and move the Europeans from T1 & 2 to T3 while Heathrow East get built for the 2012 Olympics. BA has been only at T4 since 1986 so its fairly new, if its rundown then they can only blame themselves for bad maintanence. AA, Cathay, SIA, Virgin, Emirates, Qatar, JAL, ANA, ASiana, Korean, EVA, Air Canada, MH, Thai, Air India, Jet Airways and too many more would love T5.
So you want to move all the short haul flights to a predominantly long haul terminal (T3), all long haul flights to a mixed but predominantly short haul terminal (T5), while leaving British Airways, the flag carrier, the largest carrier at the airport, in shabby and inconvenient (for connections) terminals? The point of the airlines moving terminals once T5 is fully operational is to make LHR more organised for passenger convenience and connections. Doing it your way would make it even more a mess than it already is. Are you honestly saying that T5 wouldn't have had any problems had BA not moved there?
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3298 times:
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 6): Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
The present arrangements are less confusing than the ones in operation until the move in March . Until then BA's operations were spread across T1, T3, & T4
But now they're split across T1, T4 and T5. How is that different? It's still a 3-terminal operation.
Apologies for my small error I forgot that the Iberian routes are still in T1 until their move to T3 in September. However I stand by the fact that the present arrangements no more confusing than pre March 2008, and will improve as the year goes on.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 5528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3240 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10): It is a shame Australia flights aren't moving to T5 - they're staying in T3 (when they move) with QF.
You'd think that BA would just move QF into T5 with them, considering it's only a couple of flights per day from SIN-LHR.
It's a total of 6 flights a day to both SIN and BKK, 4 QF and 2 BA, and 5 of the 6 flights leave within less than one hour. Current departure times 1215, 2125, 2135, 2200, 2205, 2215.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 3239 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3230 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): It's a total of 6 flights a day to both SIN and BKK, 4 QF and 2 BA, and 5 of the 6 flights leave within less than one hour. Current departure times 1215, 2125, 2135, 2200, 2205, 2215.
Wow, not many at all ... and yeah, I know about the "all the flights go at once" thing. However, how busy is the BA schedule out of LHR at 2200...
I choose to fly oneworld, as a member of Qantas Frequent Flyer.
APYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3185 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13): However, how busy is the BA schedule out of LHR at 2200...
This is probably around the time that lots of planes land back at LHR to overnight so maybe gate space is at a premium at this time, even though the number of departures is less than 'peak'
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 5528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3162 times:
Quoting APYu (Reply 14): Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13):
However, how busy is the BA schedule out of LHR at 2200...
This is probably around the time that lots of planes land back at LHR to overnight so maybe gat space is at a premium at this time, even though the number of departures is less than 'peak'
All 6 BA/QF flights from SIN/BKK arrive very close together in the early morning (0515, 0525, 0555, 0620, 0640, 0700) which is a busy time for other longhaul BA arrivals from North America and other areas. Until the next phase of T5 opens I doubt there would be enough gates.
Trekster From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2003, 4734 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3140 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10): You'd think that BA would just move QF into T5 with them, considering it's only a couple of flights per day from SIN-LHR
SIN/HKG/BKK
T3 will be the Oneworld terminal, with the 757 fleet there as well.
One the reasons these flights have been picked to move on the 5th is because the others will come into 4 and are due to operate flights out of 4 again. Aircraft rotation and scheduling means its better to keep the flights that go into and out of the same terminal together, rather than a JNB come into 5, and then have the plane moved to 4 to operate say a JFK.
GatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 259 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2932 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1): The BAA should have remained in British hands,
BAA is a British company with domicile in Britain, british directors, and taxes paid in the UK. The only thing that changed is that the majority of the sh
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... and yeah, I know about the "all the flights go at once" thing. However, how busy is the BA schedule out of LHR at 2200...
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